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Post by elizabeth_h on Aug 9, 2011 15:56:57 GMT -5
First, the good news. Ansel has fully recovered from his hellish rain rot experience, and has grown in a new coat. Yay! However, he continues to show some kind of greasy dandruff, and produces the worst cannon crud I have ever seen. Like overnight. It's that typical grey, greasy crud that appears on the back cannons, except he gets it on all 4 cannons, plus the back of his forearms and just above the hock. I am sure the humid weather is not helping any, but I just have no clue how to treat this. It does not come off with normal shampooing + currying.
For his normal bath I have been using Head and Shoulders, which is what his trainer told me they used on him at the track, so that should help with his oily dandruff...but the cannon crud seems to need something more targeted. Any suggestions?
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Post by jenarby on Aug 9, 2011 18:22:37 GMT -5
I'm having this issue with a few of mine that are wrapped often. It (I think) is sweat under wraps combined with dirt or whatever that gets under the wraps. Even when they are getting hosed off daily it doesn't help. I switched to using liquid casteel soap and picking scabs. I know it sounds like me being a meanie but I'll take a soft rubber curry to the shins and rub lightly with the soap to get the crud off. Dry completely and then use that silver cream. I think they call it SSM or something like that. In people it is used on burn victims but in horses for cuts and stuff. I've used it on their heads too if they get that oily crud. The key is to keep after it daily and make sure he is DRY before putting anything on it.
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Post by laughalittle1 on Aug 9, 2011 18:34:48 GMT -5
we are having the same issue with alot of the race horses. We used to use Novalsan cream (not being made anymore). We had to find something else to use. We also used the Novalsan cream for scratches. So we needed to find something different to use. My boss orders just about everything from Big Dee's in Ohio. I started looking through the catalog and we ordered a couple different salves, but the one that has done the trick is called Uncle Happy Horse all natural heel salve. It has done wonders for the one mare I take care of who we have used EVERYTHING to try to get her scratches healed (hers were so bad they bled). And for 2 of the other horses who have the crud on their cannon bones it allowed it to soften and then i could pick it off. And the best part is the hair grew back really quickly. Our pacers wear hopples and sometimes they get burns on their legs from them. I used this on the one that had really bad burns and with in few days the hair was starting to grow back. www.bigdweb.com/ALL-NATURAL-FORTIFIED-HEAL-SALVE-PT/productinfo/41HSF/ |
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Post by jenarby on Aug 9, 2011 19:09:27 GMT -5
Hey laugh, you can get Nolvasan cream in generic as Provasen. Not sure if I spelled that right but I can double check tomorrow. I have it in the barn. Same exact stuff.
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Post by TeachU2Ride on Aug 9, 2011 20:23:19 GMT -5
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Post by easychoice on Aug 9, 2011 20:48:28 GMT -5
I 2nd the Uncle Happy Horse! When I was out west foaling mares at Harris Farms this spring one of the trainers convinced the Vets to get some. I ordered it for my filly for minor cuts and scrapes and everything is healing in record time - Love the stuff and it smells good too :-)
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Post by elizabeth_h on Aug 10, 2011 7:23:49 GMT -5
Thanks! I looked at the Privasan and saw that the active ingredient is chlorhexidine, which is also the active ingredient in Fungasol (shampoo and spray). This is what I used on him during his rain rot episode, and what my vet approved. I don't know if I can get Privasan here in Canada but Fungasol is carried by my tack shop and I just happened to pick up a new bottle yesterday! Plus it is only $10 or so for a huge bottle.  I will start applying it again today and hopefully it will do the trick. |
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Post by BoyleHeightsKid on Aug 10, 2011 7:25:36 GMT -5
the stuff Jen is referring to is SSD cream is Silver Sulfadiazine and I LOVE the stuff! It's got a plethora of uses... I actually put it in Boy's eye last year when he got a pretty bad ulcer and it worked better than anything I got from the vet.
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Post by laughalittle1 on Aug 10, 2011 21:24:48 GMT -5
jen, we actually use the privasan ointment. But I always refer to it as novalsan or chlorhexi oint. But we can't get the privasan anymore either. Big dee's is who told us it was off the market. Can't even find it on their web site. I also did a privasan search and valley vet doesn't have it nor does 2 other companies that came up in the search. They had it on their sites, but said currently unavaible. So if you can find some out there, I would be buying it up. We just openned our last case the other week. Our Vet said he can't get any from the places he orders Vet supplies fro.m either.
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Post by Smay on Aug 10, 2011 21:36:56 GMT -5
Do you think that grey horses get cannon crud more than other horses, or is it just that it shows more? Ghost gets it mildly, and I have had great luck with just massaging the awful smelling MTG into the hair, and rinsing off with shampoo and water ---somehow it just washes right off after a short soak with the MTG. I wasn't aware that it was fungal. I thought it was just gunk.
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Post by TeachU2Ride on Aug 12, 2011 20:34:16 GMT -5
"Cannon crud" (cannon keratosis) is an overproduction of skin cells, so not a fungus. It stems from irritation... mud, sweat, urine splash, all of the above mixed together.
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Post by Smay on Aug 15, 2011 11:14:35 GMT -5
OK, good - that's what I thought! And it does loosen and wash off REALLY well using MTG to dissolve and soften it up.. then regular horse shampoo and a washcloth.
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Post by elizabeth_h on Aug 15, 2011 15:27:42 GMT -5
The crud that Ansel has is definitely keratosis, and is in keeping with his generally oily dandruffy skin. I am really hoping that a proper diet and grooming will help his skin improve, along with less humid weather once summer ends. I applied the Fungasol (chlorhexidine) spray a couple of days ago and a lot of the crud is coming off already just with a soft curry, so that is promising. But I will experiment with the MTG as well since this is probably going to be a long term maintenance kind of thing. If you can't get the privasan anymore I would think you could try the Fungasol products, since it is the same active ingredient in both. Here is the web site, but they don't show the ingredients for some reason. I can tell you that is chlorhexidine because that is listed as the active ingredient on the bottle I bought. It comes in spray, ointment and shampoo. www.equineamerica.com/products.html?catid=topicalcare&pageid=7553 |
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Post by niaru on Aug 15, 2011 19:35:04 GMT -5
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