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Post by jeannek on Jun 6, 2011 8:09:27 GMT -5
After extensive vet work , it seems our filly dorsally displaces her soft pallet...She has been treated fo mild lung infection and heaves, and we still wet her hay, but stress seems to make her displace her pallet...I think her open mouth breathing led to her heave like attack, but the reason is her soft pallet...
Anyway, she has been home from my trainers for awhile and is gaining some weight and muscle, and I hope to start slow riding again this week...Will probably wait until late summer for the procedure if we decide to do it...
Does anyone here have experience with tie forward surgery ?
thanks again.
Jeanne
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Post by animaldoc on Jun 6, 2011 12:49:49 GMT -5
My DH has done a bunch.....I can ask him when he gets home.....
How old is she and what are you wanting to do with her?
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Post by jeannek on Jun 6, 2011 13:52:20 GMT -5
Aniamaldoc...She is 4 yrs old, last raced in Feb....We were hoping for pony club mount and possible low level eventing...However, if she is unable to jump, she may become my pleasure mount...She would trail ride on the ranch and maybe dabble in a little dressage...
At this point we are not sure how often she displaces, but it has so far been when doing something she doesn't understand and once when she thought the pasture horses were too far from her...she had been doing fine with moderate ring work, usually less than 30 min, for several weeks , but then free jumping got excited and blew like a heaves horse...
Following that we had her scoped and a wash done and sensitivities etc...Two weeks of Doxycline and Ventipulmin ....The ventipulmin was started again at 10cc BID which she seemed to not tolerate well (sweating and hyper), so we backed her down and she is now off everything...She is getting soaked hay plus grazing...
Jeanne
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Post by jenarby on Jun 6, 2011 15:27:37 GMT -5
I've heard that tying forward works better than tying back. We have a gelding who displaces when he stresses. Repetition has helped him the most. He trains in a tongue tie and does a lot of jogging on the hills. It took some time but once he got into a routine he started breathing better. Summer is always the worst for these guys. So you may think about giving her more time off until fall. We had another that displaced and we only ran him in the cooler months. We've come to the conclusion that for racing, it really is a 50/50 shot as to whether the horse will come back and run successfully after surgery. So if they have too much trouble, we retire them.
Hoping yours does well. I'd think that in a less physically demanding discipline, the surgery would probably help more times than not. It just might take a lot of slow, patient training to get there.
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Post by jeannek on Jun 6, 2011 15:40:32 GMT -5
Jenarby...Thanks for the info...I kind of felt that with her moving across country and all, we probably should have moved slower...She has been back home about 5 weeks and is doing better...She really does thrive on routine and is still pretty immature mentally( not to mention physically)...My vet expresssed the opinion that tie forwards were more successful too...I think I read somewhere about 80%, however most all info is regarding how they race after surgery, and I was curious what the longer prognosis might be for a sport horse...
Jeanne
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Post by animaldoc on Jun 9, 2011 13:18:19 GMT -5
It's actually unfortunate that the procedures have such similar names because they are for completely different problems - tie-backs (or arytenoid lateralization surgery) are for paralyzed arytenoids (roarers), while tie-forwards (or surgical advancement of the larynx) is for dorsal displacement of the soft palate (DDSP). The location of the problem is totally different.
While it is possible that a horse could have both problems and need both procedures, it isn't like you can have one problem and choose to do a tie-forward vs. a tie-back.
The prognosis for a tie-forward might be better than the prognosis for a tie-back (where some reports say that 70% eventually fail), but that also means that it's better to have DDSP vs. being a roarer. There probably aren't any studies that have looked at long term prognosis for these procedures in sport horses in press yet, but if it works for racing it should work for a sport horse.
Just talked to DH and he says the prognosis is excellent for a sporthorse with a tie-forward. He also says you can try to let her grow up a little and see if it's still a problem for what you want to do with her since that horses that have trouble with DDSP while racing may not have trouble as sporthorses. If she does, you can always do the procedure later.
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Post by jeannek on Jun 9, 2011 19:27:36 GMT -5
Animaldoc...Thank you for checking with your DH...When she was scoped and had her respiratory workup it was definately ruled out that she does not need tie back surgery...In fact she makes no noise when she displaces her pallet and is in the percentile of silent displacers..During the exam we had good views of clean guttoral pouches also...I had to put down a wonderful TB years ago from guttoral pouch trouble, so was relieved...The surfactant drawn off her lungs looked good and sudsy, but she had a fair amount of mucous and some bacteria ...she has a recheck in about 10 days..
As soon as our record wet weather dries some, I will start her in very light work and see how the summer goes...My daughter is now using one of our home bred Morgans for Pony club, since we put her older OTTB down last winter ...Seems I have inherited the new filly, and she is a bit light boned for me, but structurally correct so hope she can have a nice sporthorse career...
Jeanne
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