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Post by diane on Jun 2, 2011 22:02:06 GMT -5
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Post by fancyhorse on Jun 3, 2011 15:48:09 GMT -5
Im not sure if I read the whole thing, but its free will if the jockeys don't want to ride certain horses, thats why its called Self Employeed!
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Post by ZenRider on Jun 4, 2011 22:39:45 GMT -5
So does that mean Walmart can sue me for not shopping in their stores?
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Post by diane on Jun 5, 2011 22:11:46 GMT -5
better look out Zenrider, it might.. lol
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Post by flingndirt035 on Jun 22, 2011 2:47:18 GMT -5
A jockey can choose to not ride a horse for a number of reasons. My aunt was one of the leading females jockeys in the us and now rides a couple races(2 to 4 a night 4 nights a week) as she is aging... She wont ride a horse if she believes he is not safe or could cause damage to herself.
I know from firsthand experiences that horse racing (especially quarter horse racing)is a very dangerous sport. Jockeys must keep their own health in mind. Anything can happen (We have had 3 major accidents in the past week.. One of OK's leading jockeys will be out for about 16 weeks), but why not try to make smart decisions and ride horses that are less likely to hurt you.
The decision to not ride a horse is strictly up to the jockey.A trainer or owner cant just randomely pull a jockey from the fence and stick them in a race, they must AGREE to ride the horse...
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Post by diane on Jun 22, 2011 23:10:17 GMT -5
THATS what I thought to.. but as you read this ruling.. Gill is able to sue jocks at Pen National as he pleases..  |
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Post by diane on Jun 22, 2011 23:13:58 GMT -5
The Harrisburg Patriot-News reports that United States Middle District Judge John E. Jones III refused to dismiss Gill’s suit against 31 jockeys at Penn National Race Course. Gill and Adamo allege in their suit that the jockeys conspired to not ride their horses, which ultimately caused their ouster from competing at the Central Pennsylvania track.
Earlier this year, a federal judge refused to dismiss a separate lawsuit Gill and Adamo have against the Pennsylvania Horse Racing Commission and Penn National, which continues to bar Gill from racing at the Grantsville, Pennsylvania, track
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Post by flingndirt035 on Jun 24, 2011 1:57:52 GMT -5
This may sound a little opiniated or obsurd but if people would actually BREAK their horses to ride then break them to run/race jocks wouldnt mind riding your horses.
I know from personal experience that your horses that have 30 days of training (ground broke, can turn, back up, change leads etc)are much easier to handle on the track vs the horse that is simply broke to run.
Paying someone an extra $400 to break your horse almost always pays off in the end. They can actually get around the track. When they are at the track, they tend to be a little less nutty AND if they dont make it at the track they have SOME training under their belts besides track training
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Post by ZenRider on Jun 26, 2011 12:29:29 GMT -5
I'm thinking it has more to do with the implied conspiracy not to ride his horses, then the jockeys not riding them because they are afraid of the horses having catastrophic breakdowns, which could injure the jockey.
Editing. I would think he would have to prove such a conspiracy was possible, rather then just imply it, but not sure. I'm thinking he's going to have to prove there was such a conspiracy to win this case. Perhaps he's hoping everyone will concede and give him money rather then have to waste time in court that could be spent riding races?
My paranoid conspiracy theory about stuff like this is: The judges/courts/lawyers need cases to keep them in work, so they accept crap like this for their own self interests more then the interest of justice. I don't let stuff like this eat me up, but it helps explain some of the litigation nonsense that goes on around the USA.
Anyway, he's going to have to prove that there was a malicious conspiracy to put him out of business. Rather then the jockeys individually saying, this guys horses aren't safe to ride as they breakdown way more then other trainers horses. And ya know what? It's hard to ride in races with broken limbs, paralyzed and especially hard when you are dead.
Here's hoping he loses this case.
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Post by flingndirt035 on Jun 29, 2011 6:21:08 GMT -5
Agreed! I will also say that 99.9% of the time, you have to do something to show that your horses are somewhat unsafe or not exactly rideable. People at the track dont just talk. They talk because they have some type of reason to talk (IE i have seen trainers with multiple horses who break poorly from the gate, or who run into other horses out of the gate, or are just plain difficuklt to load into the gates).
If I see a great trainer with great horses, I will spread his name around and talk great about his horses when asked. But I will also tell the truth about a trainer with poorly trained horses...
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