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Post by ClaireLV on Feb 12, 2003 23:32:15 GMT -5
So my shoer came out to do Jasper (he gets Sooo long Soooo quickly) and Jake. I couldn't be here for once so my neighbour was kind enough to hold the hosses for her. Jasper was at six weeks and has been forging (do you guys call it forging?) clipping into his front heels with his hinds, I noticed the other day. Thats why I called the shoer in two weeks before she wanted to come back (again).
With Jake (QH)she had put a wedge pad on. I'm a bit confuddled as to why. She told my neighbour he had a 5 degree difference in the angles and thats too much to correct with a trim. Well now I have people coming to see him to buy and surely they're gonna think he has a problem. He's always been fine the whole two years plus that I've had him, and she trimmed him the last couple times. I don't understand what would make him suddenly develop odd feet.
I had also asked her a while back about shoeing Jasper 4 point, as he obviously needs a decent breakover to stop forging, and he is typical TB - long toe no heel. She says she doesn't like 4 point in the long term.
Any ideas / opinions guys? Thoughts on 4 point shoeing? Experience with horses needing wedge pads (never had one b4 myself)? Does it mean he'll always need a wedge? I know this is a Vida question, huh.
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Post by Linda on Feb 12, 2003 23:57:29 GMT -5
Get another shoer. When the feet are trimmed correctly, they won't grow long too fast. He won't forge either. Suggest you go to >www.hopeforsoundness.com< and print out their trimming and shoeing directions--everything is free. You will find this to be very similiar to the "4-point" that you are talking about. I have had nothing but outstanding results from following the information on this site. If you e-mail the site administrator, they will give you the names/phone numbers of farriers they recommend in your area.
Linda
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Post by ZenRider on Feb 13, 2003 8:13:51 GMT -5
Personally, I don't like wedges, except for extreme conditions. Or if you're going to correct with them, it should be done gradually, as sudden changes can put stress on tendons and such. JMHO
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Post by Neeners on Feb 13, 2003 8:19:56 GMT -5
3-4 months ago i changed shoer's. I love the guy that is doing them now, before molly would start forging around 3-4 weeks, now after 6 weeks still no forging! Molly's feet look amazing, as do cherokee's (his werent bad to begin with, he has nice feet) because they havent been worked much this winter and the slow growth im getting 7-8 weeks between shoeings without ANY probs (knocking on wood hard!)
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Post by CatB on Feb 13, 2003 11:26:00 GMT -5
Why can't you just leave him barefoot? The only reason I ask is that I pull my guy's shoes in December and don't have them put back on until March or so. When it's time to reset, my shoer ALWAYS comments on how how good their feet look. I believe it's healthy to let them go barefoot for part of the year. In fact, last year, I didn't shoe Tucker at all and we had no problem training/showing barefoot. Just a thought.  |
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Post by ClaireLV on Feb 13, 2003 11:33:11 GMT -5
I know what you mean, and with Sam I could do that (he had wonderful arabian feet), but its too rocky here for the others who go out on trail etc. In fact I had Jake barefoot behind for a while coz he wasn't working much, but he got too chipped up and bruised and sore. Avalon is barefoot behind while her tendon heals, but I'm pushing it with her as she gets VERY chipped. I wish I could leave shoes off, I'd save all kinds of money!
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Post by CatB on Feb 13, 2003 11:49:51 GMT -5
they do tend to get chipped up, fortunately, my guys never seem to get sore. I have a rasp and nippers I use for cosmetic touch-ups, in between trim jobs. I'm TOO nervous to try to do a REAL trim job on the big guys, though!  I do trim the PoNee (my shoer does NOT like doing PoNees), his feet grow like weeds and are as tough as nails. I believe he has Appy blood in him - he's got the white sclera, mottled skin, and those TOUGH striped hooves. By the way, did you get my cheque? |
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Post by Linda on Feb 13, 2003 11:58:53 GMT -5
My saddle mare is barefoot year around now. She has 2 sets of Old Mac's boots. >www.yourhorsecare.com<
Our ground/county road is such bad footing--sharp 2-3 inch rocks over hard clay-that I had to use full pads under my wide rim shoes. She gets more protection from the Old Macs. They are easy to put on, STAY on, and provide great protection. You only put them on when you need them, otherwise the horse can stay barefoot (which just about everyone agrees is the best situation).
Yep, the boots are expensive, but they work. When mine die, I will, without hesitation, buy two more sets.
Linda
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Post by CatB on Feb 13, 2003 12:03:29 GMT -5
I'm just WAITING on my shoer to come out and trim, so I can measure and order!  The one thing I really wish is that BOTH my horses had the same sized feet! Sass is an 0 and Tucker is a 1. BOO!  |
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Post by ClaireLV on Feb 13, 2003 12:09:08 GMT -5
they do tend to get chipped up, fortunately, my guys never seem to get sore. I have a rasp and nippers I use for cosmetic touch-ups, in between trim jobs. I'm TOO nervous to try to do a REAL trim job on the big guys, though! I do trim the PoNee (my shoer does NOT like doing PoNees), his feet grow like weeds and are as tough as nails. I believe he has Appy blood in him - he's got the white sclera, mottled skin, and those TOUGH striped hooves. By the way, did you get my cheque? YES thanks!!!! (whats with the euro spelling - I thought I was the only bilingual english to american speaker  ) I thought I had emailed you on Monday when I got back from Phoenix, but I have been a touch scatty lately. Shall I pop your ticket in the mail (post) so you can swank about with it? (Bara - do you think the censors will pick that one up?) |
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Post by Einstein on Feb 13, 2003 12:09:21 GMT -5
way, did you get my cheque? What's up with that CatB? Did you run off to the UK and we didn't notice ;D Hehehehe I can't[glow=navy,2,300]WAIT[/glow] for World Cup and to meet you guys!! But thanks for reminding me, I'm sending mine off today! Sorry I forgot Claire, thank goodness for CatB to remind me ;D |
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Post by CatB on Feb 13, 2003 12:16:24 GMT -5
ALL my correspondence with an European flaire, now. I want ClaireLV to be able to understand me when I visit (remember ME of the Monmouth Mumble/Tonganoxie Twang??) ;D
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Post by niaru on Feb 13, 2003 14:35:49 GMT -5
I have mixed feelings about not shoeing, as the footing/trails/paddocks around here gets so hard in the winter and summer. But of course, before that, there's MUD season...But I noticed the barn manager (where Rita was) has all her horses barefoot, including the Ottb I rode the other day. Certainely makes sense when they're turned out together...  Now I'm thinking, IF I get an exracer, maybe I'll take the shoes off and use EZboots for riding outside or on the trails. I bet it'd be good for the feet, even if I end up putting shoes back on. |
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Post by CatB on Feb 13, 2003 15:03:46 GMT -5
seems to be especially benificial for my mare, Sass. Her heels tend to contract just a bit when she has shoes on, plus her heels are also a little underslung. My shoer always makes a point of taking off more toe than heel when he trims. Funny thing is, we NEVER kept shoes on any of our horses and PoNees, when I was growing up. Rarely trimmed, either, and we rode on gravel, pavement, burning hot embers (okay, made that one up), anyway, you name it :loon: - and never once did we have a lame horse. These days, you'd think it was a mortal sin to some people to not to keep shoes on. In fact, about four years ago, I was riding my unshod horse down a gravel/dirt road, keeping to the far, least-gravelly side, and some complete strangers stopped their vehicle to tell me that I "needed to get some shoes on that horse." Well, being the good Christian that I am , I simply replied "Oh, I usually do.". What I WANTED to say was "Mind your own :curse: :curse: business!" :tongue: |
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Post by niaru on Feb 13, 2003 15:21:19 GMT -5
CatB you are so polite!!!
I'm not sure what I would have said... :smirk:
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I do trim the PoNee (my shoer does NOT like doing PoNees), his feet grow like weeds and are as tough as nails. I believe he has Appy blood in him - he's got the white sclera, mottled skin, and those TOUGH striped hooves. By the way, did you get my cheque? 
The one thing I really wish is that BOTH my horses had the same sized feet! Sass is an 0 and Tucker is a 1. BOO! 
) I thought I had emailed you on Monday when I got back from Phoenix, but I have been a touch scatty lately. Shall I pop your ticket in the mail (post) so you can swank about with it? (Bara - do you think the censors will pick that one up?)
