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Post by niaru on Mar 15, 2003 14:09:18 GMT -5
Great advice and tips you guys! Now if I could only remember it all when I start jumping Charm... ;D
I like gymnastics, lines of bounces to one-stride, high enough that the horse will have to look and think. Then you can go on a loose rein and let them figure it out on their own.
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Post by adcooper on Mar 16, 2003 13:55:51 GMT -5
I'm useless in this discussion. But you all sound brilliant and athletic to me! In our next lives, Cypress and I shall leap over fences and streams. Up up and away!!!!
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Post by Luci on Mar 17, 2003 14:17:16 GMT -5
This stuff is all so good. What a resource to have when Nave is healed and we can start jumping again.  There is one other thing my trainer has me do, in addition to what has been suggested, and that is never come to the jump if he is not working calmly at a nice pace that I choose. We come down the line just as though we were going to jump and if he is rushing, I circle off the line, put him together and try again. Sometimes it takes three circles, but it works for us. It's important to come right down the line because otherwise he knows he's just doing a circle and it doesn't have the effect. The hardest thing for me has been to give up that rein and let him figure it out and do his job. I just hate it when my trainer is right, I give it up and he is nice. ;D Of course, my boy is a greenie so this may not apply to yours. |
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Post by Johnnie on Mar 17, 2003 17:55:54 GMT -5
LeAnn- Phillip is a really nice person and what an amazing rider he is! Our group did not have any real complaints about him, but they were all pretty game. I will say that fragile egos should be checked at the door though. He does not really comment on the good, but will definitely comment on the bad. If you and your horse are doing well though, you won't get anything out of him at all. The last group had some not nice things to say about Phillip and have said they will NEVER clinic with him again. I don't think it was all Phillip's fault though.
Our group was signed up for the BN/N group. That group was cancelled, so they ended up split in with the N/T groups which in turn ended up doing Training and Prelim, so you had some people who had never jumped over 2'6-9 being sent to jump Prelim XC jumps. Everyone in our group made it over fine, with no one coming off, but in the last group, all but one rider came off and had big problems. I'm not sure if those riders said anything to Phillip about their abilities, but when P was told that one in our group was competing BN and he just sent her to do a Training Level coop, he said that he wouldn't have asked her to do it, if he didn't think she could. That's all fine, but he's known this horse and rider combo for 2 days and has no ideas of the trouble they have had in the past (which was HUGE confidence problems and with one failure, they fall all the way back down). Anyway, if you have a young horse, or one that you are having specific problems with, I think he is great to clinic with, but if you are doing fine with your horse and just want a different perspective, I would try someone else-maybe Blyth Tait or Ralph Hill.
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Post by leeann on Mar 17, 2003 21:55:05 GMT -5
Johnnie--
I've heard similar mixed reviews on Phillip, he comes to our area pretty regularly as one of the other professionals in the area rides with him and brings him in for clinics.
I've had a couple of my people ride with him, and my impression wasn't all that great because he said to my client "why are you wasting your time on that horse? Get yourself one that is rideable." The horse in question is a tough ride, but extremely talented, is a Grade 2 event horse, at the time had qualified for the Debroke Award twice, and last year did the NAYRC ** with his new owner (who did her first Prelim on the horse about a year before she did the **). I was of the opinion that she was paying him a pile of money for some useful help, not a remark like that....
But the man is a genius with a horse, and the ambitious riders that I know that ride with him regularly do exceptionally well. I just pick and choose who I advise my clients to ride with! I put a Phillip Dutton clinic in the same class as a Bruce Davidson clinic--if you're game for anything and aren't thin-skinned it can be an outstanding experience--for that type of person it can be a great experience.
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Post by Johnnie on Mar 17, 2003 23:27:26 GMT -5
I actually LOVE Bruce, but you're right. He can come off quite rude, cocky even, but it is totally different than Phillip's comments, to me. Bruce's rudeness is usually directed at someone who has either 1) refused to even try or 2)is not listening to/doing what he is saying. Phillip makes rude comments about bit choices, horses (as you mentioned), and one I remember very well was a poor girl who had not been riding for long, trying to stay on her bucking horse while Phillip is yelling at her about how if her horse was in front of her leg and forward, he wouldn't be able to buck. I have another bad Phillip story that I won't share here, but I would share with anyone who wants to hear it via e-mail. Anyway, I thought Bruce was tough when he needed to be, but was great!
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